lara ([info]cute_commie) wrote,
@ 2004-06-19 06:03:00
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Racism and War in the USA...
Appologise for fragmented nature of thought. This was pretty much written from the mass of thoughts jumbled in my head. :-p

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Everyone expressed such suprise at the atrocities commited in Abu Ghandi prison. "How on Earth could our soldiers do such a thing". No-one, however, questioned WHY such a thing happened. They just took it as an isolated incident commited by people under preasure - yet again the American soldiers were the poor ones stuck in a Foriegn country - not those that are being oppressed by Foriegn Occupiers.

I think it will come as a suprise to most Americans on this board that US military abuse has been going on since the US gave people guns and said they could fight and kill under the banner of 'freedom'. Now I am not saying that the US is the only country to do this - far from it. This is just what happens when a military is trained to dehumanise those that the politicians deem as 'enemies'. Racism is a potent tool in warfare as it turns people who are not killers into people who are ready to do so. Although it does raise some questions. How on Earth can you be liberators if you take this attitude to the people you are supposed to liberate?

Now let's look at some examples. The Phillipines. 1898. After winning the war against the 'oppressive' Spannish do they decide to grant the Phillipines its freedom from oppression of another nation? Like hell. The US were going to 'civilise' that country if it was the last thing they did. Lovely how Theodore Rosevelt believed that the US crushing them was a 'triumph over the black chaos of savagery and barbarism'. There were massacres galore (3000 Fillipinos were massacred in Manilla and tortures designed to get information (seem familiar?)

Now of course you could say 'but that was in the past'. And quite rightly so. I mean, after all, in the early 20th Century the US was an utterly racist country but now it is a racial heaven where all races are treated equally and without discrimination, isn't it?

So let us fast foward to Vietnam. The name 'William Carley' ring a bell? He led a group of 80 US soldiers and obliterated a South Vietnameese Village, My Lai. 500 men, women and children dead in the name of 'Democracy'. So what happened? Was he punished for his crime? Was his name spoken with disgust by the American people?

Wrong again.

He was revelled as a National Hero. Jimmy Carter (as Governer for Georgia) urged people to leave their headlights on as a show of support for him, rallies were held in support for him... Support for a mass murderer. And he was not the only one commiting attrocities. The same things that happened in the Phillipines were happening again in Vietnam. Right down to the dehumanisation (From 'niggers' to 'gooks'). And yet again torture was employed as a means to get information.

Then just look at the modern wars. The new 'gooks' are the Arabs or the Islamists. They are 'barbaric' say many of your politicians. They are 'true evil'. They're not people anymore - they are a personification of everything that you fear. Your soldiers are taught this and then you wonder why they commit the attrocities that they do? All you have to do is look at the conditions in Guantanamo Bay or the various Iraq detention centers to see that the cancer of racism inside the US army has still not gone away. And STILL your so-called 'liberal' media supports them... It's scary but you are the only people who can change it.

Now you may ask 'that's true, but what about Britain'. Yes. Britain has done the same. We could talk about the ethnic cleansing of the Highland Scots, we could talk about the Firebombing of Dresden, we could talk about our mistreatment of the Indians. But we are no longer in a position to commit the abuse. The USA is. You have to know what is going on to stop it. Or do you even care?




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[info]kryptique
2004-06-19 11:09 pm UTC (link)
http://www.prisonexp.org/

You might find this site interesting, if you've heard of it. I feel that America has let down not only Iraq but its own military. These people were called up from their lives and sent to be soldiers, with no training and no support. They were put into a situation that breeds cruelty and torture, with no instruction nor supervision to stop the dehumanizing process. They are not professionals trained in the administration of a prison. I feel the US military involved were as much victims as the prisoners. The entire situation escalated from whatever instincts and such are at play here, as demonstrated in this and other studies, unchecked. I am not excusing anyone's behavior by this. I jsut feel simply enough that these situations will not be corrected unless the root causes are addressed. I don't believe the military itself "brainwashes" people or dehumanizes the target, but I believe there is not enough support, supervision, training, and professionalism. Most of these soldiers are young, poor, often with learning difficulties, and other problems. What is the military doing for them?

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[info]cute_commie
2004-06-20 01:04 pm UTC (link)
Well the dehumanisng of the opposition is one of the first thing that happens during wartime no matter what armed forces you are in. The Germans become the Huns, the Vietnameese the Gooks. You can't have your own soldiers thinking the opposition are human beings just like them. Who have families, lives back home. They have to be turned into the boogeyman under the bed so that you can then shove your bayanet into their stomach.

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[info]kryptique
2004-06-20 09:29 pm UTC (link)
I disagree as to being "no longer in a position to commit the abuse" as I think everyone does, almost all the time...what makes you feel the dehumanizing is unique to the military, the knowing people not as themselves but as labels? What about judging people by the labels it seems everyone gives, those are also dehumanizing and promote I feel, conflict and lack of empathy and acceptance. "Scary goths, crazy punk kids, snotty Yankees, yuppies, soccer moms" and so forth--stereotype is all around us sorry to say, and I think it's no far step to dehumanizing "the enemy" especially when it goes both ways. Mixing religion into it just ignites the gunpowder.

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[info]observerbeta
2004-06-21 02:49 pm UTC (link)
what happened in iraq at abu ghandi prison, was most likely not an isolated incident. i won't excuse the soldiers involved at abu ghandi. because even at as soldier, one allowed to think for oneself. it not easy to refuse orders in the amry (if that was the case), but one can, which might be the difference between taking part in a war crime and not being a participant.

again soldiers need to train more on dealing with civilian crowds beside the regular combat training. those two are very differents types of training. maybe this is good time to bring that usa's government still hasn't signed for the icc (the international criminal court in the Hague), which could also look into cases the involving civilian personel in iraq.

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